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Jun. 30th, 2011 11:28 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
For reasons totally unrelated to the recent flood, I've recently turned my mind to the issue of barge romantic relationships. [Crane sounds awkward just saying it.] Frankly, I'm confused as to why anyone could ever think that it ever would work out. Ignoring numerous public examples of messy arguments between wardens and inmates alike, I've never in my experience heard of a prison being described as a good dating environment. While the inmates do obviously suffer a certain lack of options, it's the wardens that persist in romantic liaisons that surprise me.
How can your supposed relationships have real meaning if they have an expiration date date? Or would you be willing to give up your family, friends and universe for one person who seemed like a good option while you were in a prison? You can believe me when I say that it isn't only unrealistic, it's unhealthy. It's no more valuable than a relationship forged in a war zone, done by the same messy necessity and a certain need to settle for what is available, no matter how substandard. It's disturbing how easily you all seem to give in to the delusion that it means something. It doesn't. It just has that sliver more meaning than the rest of your pointless existence on the barge. Furthermore, it's a disservice to your inmates and not to mention a failure in your duties as wardens. You're not here to find meaningful relationships with each other. You're supposed to be helping us.
[Pause. Crane sounds slightly more amused.] I hadn't done this in a while. It's highly therapeutic for me to tell you all the ways that you're wrong. I recommend it highly to other inmates.
[Private- Edward Nygma]
It could be slightly related to the flood. [The longest pause.] I'm not sure that I want to talk about it. I do apologize though.
[OOC: Whoops, going to do that post and run thing. Will be back in eight hours, after sleep. <3]
How can your supposed relationships have real meaning if they have an expiration date date? Or would you be willing to give up your family, friends and universe for one person who seemed like a good option while you were in a prison? You can believe me when I say that it isn't only unrealistic, it's unhealthy. It's no more valuable than a relationship forged in a war zone, done by the same messy necessity and a certain need to settle for what is available, no matter how substandard. It's disturbing how easily you all seem to give in to the delusion that it means something. It doesn't. It just has that sliver more meaning than the rest of your pointless existence on the barge. Furthermore, it's a disservice to your inmates and not to mention a failure in your duties as wardens. You're not here to find meaningful relationships with each other. You're supposed to be helping us.
[Pause. Crane sounds slightly more amused.] I hadn't done this in a while. It's highly therapeutic for me to tell you all the ways that you're wrong. I recommend it highly to other inmates.
[Private- Edward Nygma]
It could be slightly related to the flood. [The longest pause.] I'm not sure that I want to talk about it. I do apologize though.
[OOC: Whoops, going to do that post and run thing. Will be back in eight hours, after sleep. <3]
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Date: 2011-06-30 01:37 pm (UTC)But you're also right that the parameters are different. You can't really con yourself that this is home, or a normal world, or a particularly nice one where relationships work, and work in a usual, functional manner. I don't think it means it's substandard, I think you're just working with what you can and making the best of it.
I have no doubt in saying that anyone I did have a relationship here with is... someone I'd have done the same with in the real world. But, I'd never expect them to choose me, and here, over the real world. That's treating this place like a home - and it isn't. It's too transient, too unstable, and too dangerous to do that. That doesn't quite stand in the way of serious, real emotions, though.
So I don't think I agree with you, but you're not entirely wrong, either.
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Date: 2011-06-30 01:41 pm (UTC)The key difference is that I'm not talking about simple friendships. I'm talking about deeply emotional relationships, that if anything, increases the chances of violence on the barge. Two wardens are in a relationship and one gets attacked. Their partner accordingly murders the inmate who performed the attack. The warden populous naturally does nothing. Thus, the institution of warden romantic relationships is a threat to inmates well being and the justice system of the barge.
The inherent problem regarding the second part of your argument is that the transient, unstable nature of these relationships means that by rights, anyone taking part in such a relationship should remain at a distance. But do they? Somehow I doubt that they would. Wardens don't seem to think that far ahead.
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Date: 2011-06-30 01:53 pm (UTC)At least there was no forced reciprocation.
At least we didn't fornicate.
At least I wasn't a woman/cat/alien.
At least there was no toxin involved.
At least we can move on.
Feeling better? Good, because this is the one and only time it will come up in conversation.
[He waits a beat.]
I do agree with your emotional outburst, however. Relationships are perilous at the best of times. At the worst-- and we're currently residing in the worst-- they're teetering on the edge of irresponsible. I wouldn't advise it unless you're prepared to dismiss that individual as a fling if they disappear.
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Date: 2011-06-30 01:56 pm (UTC)I suppose the same argument is equally valid in terms of friendship. But frankly, this seems more likely to draw wardens into an argument where they're clearly wrong.
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Date: 2011-06-30 02:35 pm (UTC)If my inmate has a problem with it, then she can address me with it. As for everything else, Crane, just troll harder.
Crane: attempting to make trolling into a legitimate barge sport.
Date: 2011-06-30 02:38 pm (UTC)Have you ever asked your inmate if she has a problem with it?
[Pause] And could you clarify what you mean by 'troll'?
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Date: 2011-06-30 03:06 pm (UTC)[ Private | Video ]
Date: 2011-06-30 03:09 pm (UTC)Were you hit by the flood?
[ Private | Video ] - psst, it's your tag in our silly music spam. <3
From:[ Private | Video ] - Oooh! I knew I missed one when firefox ate my old tags. Thanks bb. <3
From:[ Private | Video ] - Heh, no prob, it's not an important one anyway, just for fun. ^_^
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Date: 2011-06-30 04:06 pm (UTC)And this is all just assuming that someone is only settling for the best of what's here, but what if they aren't? What if by not acting they'd then be settling for anybody else they meet after, while a part of their heart still resides here?
And I don't see how any of it could be a disservice to anybody somebody was wardening at all, really. It's quite possible to care quite a lot about more than one person at a time.
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Date: 2011-07-01 01:11 am (UTC)It harms the wardens inmate. Our one-on-one system suggests that a warden primary responsibility, focus and energy should be dedicated to their inmate. The Admiral doesn't give people rewards for nothing. As soon as you bring a relationship into the question, the warden has other priorities that were never in their job description.
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Date: 2011-06-30 05:11 pm (UTC)Crane, Sport, if someone like someone enough they're gonna want to hump 'em. That goes with the Barge or anywhere else.[And then he decides not to feed the troll and doesn't send it.]
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Date: 2011-06-30 06:12 pm (UTC)Come on, you can do better than this.
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Date: 2011-07-01 01:06 am (UTC)It was either this or attack the wardens for choosing to abandon their families and sometimes even children to be here. But I thought I ought to wait for an opportune flood before bringing that up.
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From:Because of course, knowing him will make all those murders be okay
From:Oh, Drake. <33
From:Private- Guess who decided to rise to the bait
Date: 2011-06-30 11:51 pm (UTC)Not everyone needs that.
Private- Crane is quietly so pleased.
Date: 2011-07-01 01:00 am (UTC)Private- He should be. Iago might actually consent to be...truthful. .......or not. XP
From:Private- Iago likes to play his cards cleverly. : D
From:Private - especially with Crane
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From:[Private] Where's a good facepalm icon when you need one?
From:[Private] I like to imagine that he's facepalming in his mind. XD
From:[Private] True! xD
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Date: 2011-07-01 06:19 am (UTC)private;
Date: 2011-07-01 08:16 am (UTC)private; oh, ps. 'expiry' is not an american term. xD
From:private; Thanks bb! /changes to 'use by'. Which hopefully is? D:
From:private; Sorry, should have said.. 'expiration date' would probably fit best, but 'use by' can work.
From:private; Changed it to expiration date, because it sounds fancier. c:
From:private; xD;; I love that you have different words. It's so fun.
From:private; I love it. Although I did say 'mate' yesterday and :ced at myself.
From:private; xD; rofl. It's cool. The other day, I was all "I NEED A BRITISH CHARACTER." ..I have one.
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